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  • 11:51AM - Mar 13, 2010RE: MPF Language

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    Originally Posted by Kenmar

    I play off 5 to 6 hcp an must need a golf club with a “C Dimension” of over 3.000” as I have a tendency to occasionally SHANK the ball, mainly from about 50m in with SW, I have a tendency to get the club too far behind me on back swing.

    I was surprised that my Mizuno MX-300 are rated at only 405 MPF, funny set of irons, I adore the #7 to PW but the #3 to #6 irons seem much smaller in length from toe to heel (hosel = Eeekkk).

    Decided today to game my Callaway X-20 Tour with MPF 716 which I know you really like, after 6 over on front 9 from bad putting, came in with a 1 under 35 to shoot 77 and can really see the difference in the MPF of both of these sets.

    As a have a tendency to hit the ball closer to the heel than the toe, what should I look for a set of irons, am I best suited to a higher or lower swing weight, more weight in toe or the other end :), HaHaHa, I gotta laugh, sorry, those bla$tard you know what’s have haunted me for most of my 35 years of golfing.

    Kind Regards, Ken

    Even if you tend to hit it towards the heel, a longer C-dimension can help you fix that, because it gives you more face area away from the hosel to work with. So with this, you can more confidently address the ball further towards the toe and/or work on a swing tweak that will help move your impact out on the face. Even if you hit one too far towards the toe, the longer C-dimension will make this off center hit much more acceptable.

    I believe that very short C-dimensions are a negative for everyone, despite the fact that some pros hit them very well.

  • 10:11PM - Mar 12, 2010RE: MPF Language

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    Ralph,

    By the way, I know that you said all of those other factors like grip, shaft etc are important and I agree. But with that being said, I had a custom set of KZG forged evolutions made for me a few years back. Custom heads, shafts, the whole thing. At the time, I didn’t know about MPF’s and hadn’t heard of you. The interesting thing about this was the selling point of the guy that made the clubs for me. He kept telling me the engine of the golf club is the shaft. He said the clubhead is important but not as much as the shaft. I couldn’t hit those clubs a lick, and I’m a fair golfer with a 10 handicap. My handicap plummeted to a 15.

    I sold them, and soon after I stumbled upon your website. It made sense to me. I bought the Ping G5’s and my game turned right back around. In my opinion, the shaft, grips etc are important, but to me, the head of the club makes the golf club. You can put lipstick on a pig, but it’s still a pig.

  • 11:18PM - Mar 10, 2010RE: MPF Language

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    I will pick one up. Thanks again!

  • 10:00AM - Mar 10, 2010RE: MPF Language

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    Kenmar, stick with the higher playability irons, obviously. Other than a shankless iron design there is no equipment change that will help much. I know somewhat how you feel as I shank my sand wedge about twice a year from the bunker and it ruins my whole day. Have you talked to a really good teaching professional. Some of these guys have a pretty good cure recommendation.

  • 9:54AM - Mar 10, 2010RE: MPF Language

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    cleochiro, always use the actual vertical center of gravity. The basic VCOG is the initial balance point on the face. This measurement and the rearward COG along with the loft angle allow a trigonometry function to determine the actual VCOG. I simply put all these numbers in there to show how the MPF results were calculated.

    The GolfWorks sells the book. You can go online to golfworks@golfworks.com, or call 1-800-848-8358 to order and also get a free 220 page catalog sent to you.

  • 9:50AM - Mar 10, 2010RE: MPF Language

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    Originally Posted by Ralph Maltby

    cleochiro, after I read your question my immediate thought was to tell you to get the MPF book for irons and read through it. I still think you should get the book, but I also feel a real succinct answer will help a number of people understand MPF better. So, thanks for asking the question.

    MPF uses the center of gravity location in the horizontal and vertical axis’s and also the moment of inertia (MOI) to calculate a number.

    The main playability factors from these 3 attributes are the horizontal and vertical centers of gravity. The farther out the horizontal center of gravity (“C” Dimension) from the hosel the more stable the clubhead is through impact. Also, the more solid the hit more of the time and in general better directional control consistency.

    Regarding the vertical center of gravity, the lower it is will result in more solid hits more of the time and more consistent trajectories. The golfer’s intent should always be to hit the ball with the clubhead’s center of gravity below the golf balls center of gravity and a lower cg accomplishes this.

    The basic MPF number is derived by subtracting the actual vertical center of gravity from the “C” Dimension. After that MOI and a few correction factors are added or subtracted to get the final number.

    Maltby General Rules of Thumb Concerning MPF: 1. If you hit the ball low on the club face and not solid you should first find an iron with a very low center of gravity and with a “C” Dimension of at least 1.350” and preferably higher (Super or Ultra Game Improvement categories). 2. If you have any directional control problems and you are not a low handicap, look for irons with a “C” Dimension over 1.450” and a higher MOI number (again Super or Ultra categories). 3. If you are a sweeper of the ball look for very low vertical centers of gravity. 4. If you are a low handicap player who hits down and through the ball and must play blade type irons, at least go for blades that fall into the “Game Improvement” category as a minimum. This will assure you of getting good built-in playability and not being stuck with an iron that requires a perfect hit every time to hit it solidly. I think you get the idea here.

    Everyone also needs to understand this; There are a number of other playability factors that MPF does not take into consideration. One of these is “effective sole bounce” which is comprised of the bounce angle, the sole width, the front to back sole radius and the leading edge grind. Another is the club length, the shaft and it’s bending qualities. Another is the head weight (swingweight and total weight factors). How about grip size? These are all fitting variables that need to be addressed individually.

    The intent of MPF is to be a tool for anyone to look at their golf game and determine what MPF category they fit into. This will make playing the game easier and avoid the frustration of trying to play some low MPF iron that only a tour pro can play. No one should ever go below the “Game Improvement category” in my opinion because the clubheads simply become too hard to play. They are less solid hitting and much harder to hit with any consistency. I personally will not play irons that are below “Super Game Improvement” because at my age this simply works out better for my game and consistency. Notice that through out this answer I have used two words the most; solidness and consistency. This is what you are after if you want to improve your game. The absolute most stupid remark that I have ever heard is from the player who wants to play with low playability irons because his mis-hits provide him feedback regarding his swing. So, in a match this player would rather be in the bunker on a mis-hit iron shot that may have landed on the green with the same mis-hit on a higher MPF iron. This simply does not make sense.

    I play off 5 to 6 hcp an must need a golf club with a “C Dimension” of over 3.000” as I have a tendency to occasionally SHANK the ball, mainly from about 50m in with SW, I have a tendency to get the club too far behind me on back swing.

    I was surprised that my Mizuno MX-300 are rated at only 405 MPF, funny set of irons, I adore the #7 to PW but the #3 to #6 irons seem much smaller in length from toe to heel (hosel = Eeekkk).

    Decided today to game my Callaway X-20 Tour with MPF 716 which I know you really like, after 6 over on front 9 from bad putting, came in with a 1 under 35 to shoot 77 and can really see the difference in the MPF of both of these sets.

    As a have a tendency to hit the ball closer to the heel than the toe, what should I look for a set of irons, am I best suited to a higher or lower swing weight, more weight in toe or the other end :), HaHaHa, I gotta laugh, sorry, those bla$tard you know what’s have haunted me for most of my 35 years of golfing.

    Kind Regards, Ken

  • 5:15PM - Mar 9, 2010MPF Language

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    Ralph,

    Thank you for taking the time for such a detailed response! I think this will help alot of people.

    Just to clarify. When looking at the vertical center of gravity, we want to look at the actual and not the basic, is that correct? Also, where can I pick up the irons book on MPF that gives even more detail. Very interesting stuff and thanks again.

  • 1:00PM - Mar 9, 2010RE: MPF Language

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    cleochiro, after I read your question my immediate thought was to tell you to get the MPF book for irons and read through it. I still think you should get the book, but I also feel a real succinct answer will help a number of people understand MPF better. So, thanks for asking the question.

    MPF uses the center of gravity location in the horizontal and vertical axis’s and also the moment of inertia (MOI) to calculate a number.

    The main playability factors from these 3 attributes are the horizontal and vertical centers of gravity. The farther out the horizontal center of gravity (“C” Dimension) from the hosel the more stable the clubhead is through impact. Also, the more solid the hit more of the time and in general better directional control consistency.

    Regarding the vertical center of gravity, the lower it is will result in more solid hits more of the time and more consistent trajectories. The golfer’s intent should always be to hit the ball with the clubhead’s center of gravity below the golf balls center of gravity and a lower cg accomplishes this.

    The basic MPF number is derived by subtracting the actual vertical center of gravity from the “C” Dimension. After that MOI and a few correction factors are added or subtracted to get the final number.

    Maltby General Rules of Thumb Concerning MPF: 1. If you hit the ball low on the club face and not solid you should first find an iron with a very low center of gravity and with a “C” Dimension of at least 1.350” and preferably higher (Super or Ultra Game Improvement categories). 2. If you have any directional control problems and you are not a low handicap, look for irons with a “C” Dimension over 1.450” and a higher MOI number (again Super or Ultra categories). 3. If you are a sweeper of the ball look for very low vertical centers of gravity. 4. If you are a low handicap player who hits down and through the ball and must play blade type irons, at least go for blades that fall into the “Game Improvement” category as a minimum. This will assure you of getting good built-in playability and not being stuck with an iron that requires a perfect hit every time to hit it solidly. I think you get the idea here.

    Everyone also needs to understand this; There are a number of other playability factors that MPF does not take into consideration. One of these is “effective sole bounce” which is comprised of the bounce angle, the sole width, the front to back sole radius and the leading edge grind. Another is the club length, the shaft and it’s bending qualities. Another is the head weight (swingweight and total weight factors). How about grip size? These are all fitting variables that need to be addressed individually.

    The intent of MPF is to be a tool for anyone to look at their golf game and determine what MPF category they fit into. This will make playing the game easier and avoid the frustration of trying to play some low MPF iron that only a tour pro can play. No one should ever go below the “Game Improvement category” in my opinion because the clubheads simply become too hard to play. They are less solid hitting and much harder to hit with any consistency. I personally will not play irons that are below “Super Game Improvement” because at my age this simply works out better for my game and consistency. Notice that through out this answer I have used two words the most; solidness and consistency. This is what you are after if you want to improve your game. The absolute most stupid remark that I have ever heard is from the player who wants to play with low playability irons because his mis-hits provide him feedback regarding his swing. So, in a match this player would rather be in the bunker on a mis-hit iron shot that may have landed on the green with the same mis-hit on a higher MPF iron. This simply does not make sense.

  • 11:09PM - Mar 8, 2010MPF Language

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    Ralph,

    If we are trying to delve a little deeper into the MPF language, which measurements are the most important, why, and what do they mean as it relates to our individual games. For example, what is more important, C dimension, MOI or COG? How can we apply these terms to our games in making a buying decision?

    Thanks

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