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Lie angle

  • 2:34AM - Jun 3, 2008RE: Lie angle

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    I am no clubfitter, but very interested. I learned from a good clubfitter that the most important spec to fit is the lie, then club length, then flex and swingweight.

    My theory is that good players know how the clubhead should sit to the ball and will make adjustments to the setup to “get it right”, but they cannot adjust to the extreme.

    Htting the toe? outside in swing ? Too soft tip that gives too much droop ?

    There is an interesting system called True Length Technology (TLT) that calculates the club length to fit the lie (or vice versa) to give a constant setup position. But, adjusting lie is for sure about that with or without that system…to fit the lie to get the most consistent swing, setup, feel, golf…

    I “hate” the type of fitting that says: “you are 2 inches taller that average, you need 1 inch longer shaft and 2 degrees upright ! ” That is pure *****y clubfitting. lie is the most single important individual thing that needs to be fit individually for each club by testing.

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  • 10:49PM - Jun 2, 2008RE: Lie angle

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    I believe I started this topic and it’s comforting to know that someone else-cleochiro-had the same experience I did. The fitter would not even let me see which club he handed me—from about 2* flat to 3-4* upright and they all went beatifully and all but one strike was on the toe at approximately the same spot. One strike was flush but without my knowledge he repeated that club and all the rest were out on the toe. I, like cleochiro, remain baffled. An observation—many tour golfers grip down 1-2 inches on shorter clubs to “increase control” or to take off a few yards. So doesn’t this destroy some accuracy as the lie angle has been changed?

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  • 6:03PM - Jun 2, 2008RE: Lie angle

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    I can’t remember who wrote about shaft length effecting lie angle, but I decided to try that route vs getting all my clubs bent only to find out they were bent for no reason. I bought the grip remover and a few shaft extenders. I’m going in half inch increments. (half inch = 1upright?) anyways, If this is true, I’ll let everyone know if my game improves or worsens. As it stands, I just finished a set with the 5 iron being 38.5…that should make the lie angle 1 upright assuming the heads were set at standard to begin with. I think I enjoy tinkering with clubs more than actually golfing, is that crazy or what?

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  • 4:17PM - Jun 1, 2008RE: Lie angle

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    Ralph,

    Like I wrote, I’m not a clubmaker, so I’m not about to debate lie angle with you. I’d lose for sure. I’m just intrigued by the results I received on the range. Believe me, I was confused too. But, I saw the lie tape, my ball flight, distance, trajectory etc, and I can honestly tell you there wasn’t a difference. There wasn’t even a difference in feel. The Ping fitter was a nice guy with good knowledge. This wasn’t his first rodeo. Can you help me understand what happened here? Thanks.

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  • 7:29AM - May 26, 2008RE: Lie angle

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    cleochiro, fitting the correct lie angle is mechanical fact. It is simple geometry which has been explained in my books since 1974. Whenever the lie angle is not correct at impact, the incorrect lie angle and the loft angle form a third angle (compound angle) which is a tilted face plane. If the lie angle is correct at impact, there is no tilted face plane.

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  • 7:43PM - May 24, 2008RE: Lie angle

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    Chuck,

    I had a similar experience being fitted for my pings. I was on a driving range and was tested and the results on the lie tape were all the same for black, blue and yellow dot. He said my swing looked very consistent too. He said to chose by which felt better and was more accurate. I went with black dot G5’s and love them. The shaft in the G5’s performed better for me than the 10’s plus the price was less b/c they came out in ‘06. I won’t say that lie angle is overhyped b/c I’m not a clubmaker, but when I see the results for myself on the range, and they are so similar, I wonder if it’s not a lot of marketing hype to sell clubs.

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  • 5:47PM - May 21, 2008RE: Lie angle

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    tom, it is always best to take lessons to get the coached swing that uses your natural ability and blends the two together to hit a golf ball consistently. During the process, the golf coach should be evaluating your initial abilities with regard to the correct fit clubs for you. So, both sort of go together, but a sound swing should be first. It sounds like you are doing it right. Keep me posted on where you go from here.

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  • 5:10PM - May 21, 2008CLUBFITTING

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    RALPH!

    When is it best to get clufitted? While your game is struggling and your not very consistent or after we have taken several lessons and have come up with a more consistent swing? My own swing has changed just in the last month or so, after seeing a swing coach that all my specs are no longer correct. With so many variables that go into clubfitting is it better to wait til you have a better swing? I guess it could depend on your golfing goals.

    Thanks Tom

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  • 5:45PM - May 19, 2008RE: Lie angle

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    Thanks for the replies snoma9600 and Mr Maltby. I didn’t realize club length could effect lie angle. I may need to start there, checking the lengths of all my sets as I hit some better than others. I just assumed they all were the same or very close in length. I do want to hit a lie board but I live in a small town and there aren’t many professional club builders within a reasonable distance. The closest Golf Galaxies is about 2hrs away. I may take a trip one of these weekends.

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  • 1:48PM - May 16, 2008RE: Lie angle

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    sonoma9600, correct again. Here’s the very bottom line on all of clubfitting and everyone needs to get this point. As clubfitters (or very interested golfers), “our job is to take every variable out of their equipment that does not help them”. This is my exact approach with every tour player and golfer that I have ever worked with. When all the little things (and sometimes a big one, like lie angle, shaft flex,etc) are fixed, they all add up and can make a huge difference in how someone plays and scores.

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