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MPF not improving?

  • 11:04AM - Jun 3, 2008RE: MPF not improving?

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    keyser, I check shafts for straightness in the design studio here and I have a special shaft straightness tester that I built. It is basically a set-up in a sturdy aluminum frame with two small roller bearings at each end that are close together so the shaft lays on them and can be rolled precisely. I have multiple machinists dial indicators (.001 increments) mounted at different intervals on a rod and they are also moveable to any position. Bottom line is that any shaft more than .050” out of round needs to be straightened. I find shafts out of tolerance all the time.

    For everyone who read keysers post about checking shaft straightness by “rolling”, here is the procedure; I like to take 5 to 8 shafts at a time and put them all together laying on a flat table. Keep the shafts butt to butt and tip to tip and tight together. Roll the shafts back and forth going about 8 to 10 inches each way (sort of like rolling out bread dough). You are looking for any shaft that sort of “jumps” up as you roll them. It is very easy to spot the shafts that are out of round as you will see the first time you do it.

    If the out of round shafts are steel you can straighten them. This takes some practice, so find some old shafts to perfect your procedure. You need a shaft straightening block, which we once sold in the GolfWorks catalog, but I don’t think we sell it any more (you can see this block in my big design book and also in any of my repair books). You can make one easily by getting a piece of wood about 6” by 10” and in one side cut a notch about 1 1/4” deep by 1 1/4” wide. Put the notch about 2 1/2” from the top of the wood block. Next, cut some felt or use an old wound leather grip piece and put it inside the notch to cover the wood. Use two nails or thumb tacks on the outside of the wood block to hold the felt in place. This is too prevent the wood block from scratching the shaft.

    To straighten the shaft, first sight down it looking up from the tip end and try to find the most bent area. Mark this with your finger by holding the shaft at this point. Now move over to the shaft straightening block which you already securely mounted in your bench vise. Put the shaft into the wood block notch where the bent part of the shaft starts and by pressing downward (always use downward) to deflect the shaft in the opposite direction of the bend. Keep your hands as close to the bent area as possible and not out on the end of the shaft. Next, move the shaft to a new position in the block and bend the shaft down again. Work slowly at first and apply only enough force to start straightening the shaft. You keep repeating this along the entire bent area while constantly sighting down the shaft to see if you are making any progress. Yes, it takes practice, but eventually it is quite easy and fast. Do a final check by rolling the shaft on the table.

  • 3:03AM - Jun 3, 2008RE: MPF not improving?

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    But he turned out to love the wedges. I just built them a little bit longer than his PW to counteract the light weight in the 4 wedge shafts. He could just not feel any difference between the clubs and they are the best clubs in his bag (no pulls any more…)

    I just cannot understand why they fit him so well. I did not adjust lie and length really. i think it was just pure luck and that I hit the right spot for both clubhead sole, lie, lenght, swingweight and flex.

  • 3:02AM - Jun 3, 2008RE: MPF not improving?

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    I fitted a set of wedges to a friend lately. He had bought a Wilson set (Ci7) and had a huge gap between the PW and the SW. (44 – 55). The Ci7 lookes quite good and had a “lightweight” steel option. It was said to be 105g “lightweight” steel (TrueTemper TX-105). Well, I ordered TX-90 for him cause that is a lightweight shaft, and the Maltby M-wedge (48-53-56-60). We bent the 53 down to 52. I built the wedges to the same MOI as the PW (basically that means that the swingweight will increase with shorter shafts and heavier heads). We also regripped the iron set.

    What I found was: 1. The shaft was not lightweight at all. It is a standard 125g/41” TT shaft ! 2. The shaft was not smooth under the grip. It had not fully parallell **** section for the grip and support was not as good as possible.

    I lost respect for “top quality brands”... And I believe Wilson is no worse than anyone else.

  • 3:01AM - Jun 3, 2008RE: MPF not improving?

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    The average Joe do not have a clue. He wants to buy quality, so he believes the big companies use the most money in development. He thinks tha the big brands must be the ones with the best quality and then he is sure he will get the most standard clubs that he is sure of will work best for him. He thinks components are fakes and copies and of bad quality. He thinks clubs are something magic that he needs to exchange every time a ferrule falls off, a grip wears out or the clubhead falls off….

  • 8:24PM - Jun 2, 2008RE: MPF not improving?

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    I´d also like to point out that I´d pay more for shafts that had some guarantee of CPM tolerance and roundness. I say this because I was just installing Dynamic Gold SL´s and when I rolled them on a table, I noticed that quite a few of them were crooked.

    Ralph, What do you think about the steel shaft crookedness, I guess this is normal beause I noticed it in all the shafts. What affect does it have, and are any shafts better than others?

  • 8:21PM - Jun 2, 2008RE: MPF not improving?

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    My point is, why spend a ton of money when you can get a set of good components for less than half the price. I couldn´t agree more. I think it´s laughable how some people think that just because something costs so much it has to be good, like 1000$ shafts! But if there was a deluxe version of for example the hybrid ST´s, made out of titainum, and the MPF were better, then I´d gladly pay more. I´d pay more for higher Maltby Playability Factor in irons. I´d never pay a lot for something that has no proof or numbers behind it, just hyped adverts.

    Logic tells use that stronger lighter metal alloys will improve MPF, and the MPF measurements show that too. I´d also pay more for longer lasting grooves in the irons and etc. I´d basically be willing to pay a little extra for anything that is proven to help me hit the ball better(higher MPF is solid numerical proof to me).

  • 6:49PM - Jun 2, 2008RE: MPF not improving?

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    I’m not sure how revivant this is to the topic, but I own a lot of iron sets. All forged, KZG, Raven,Maltby and a few name brand clubs; MP 30’s, 690’s and Muirfields. When I hit the sweet spot, I really can’t tell the difference. If I had to pick a “favorite”, I’d have to go with the Raven 303’s, a forged cavity back. They feel just as smooth if not smoother than the MP 30’s. The Maltby M-04’s aren’t far behind. My point is, I see no reason to pay the outrageous prices on name brand sets when components are available that perform just as good, if not better than the name brand. The price on name brand sets include advertisement, not quality. My point is, why spend a ton of money when you can get a set of good components for less than half the price.

  • 6:30PM - Jun 1, 2008RE: MPF not improving?

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    Ralph, I´ve noticed golfclubs are getting more and more expensive, and golfers seem to be willing to buy insanely expensive products today, like 1k$ shafts, the fusion callaway irons are VERY expensive and all those japanese imports, and they don´t even have any evidence of being better(no higher MPF or nothing). I also think sometimes it´s clever marketing for a company to have a statement product, even though that items itself won´t sell very well. Just to be able to see HIGHER MPF EVER or HIGHST MOI IRON EVER PRODUCED or something like that would create buzz. Especially if if looked fantastic too(chrome, gold and matt black can never fail in my opinion :)). A statement product would also go against some people opinion that components are cheap stuff etc.

    Just my humble 2 cents worth.

  • 10:49AM - Jun 1, 2008RE: MPF not improving?

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    keyser, you should see the exotic metals that we have made clubheads out of. I think we have tried most of them. The problem is that very few golfers and clubmakers are willing to spend the significant cost increase, especially in components.

  • 8:48AM - Jun 1, 2008MPF not improving?

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    Ralph, it seems to me that there hasn´t been a big improvement in MPF in a long time. CG hasn´t gotten much lower since the Callaway Hawkay Titanium irons, it seems like the the form of the clubhead has been designed close to it´s limit. Do you agree?

    I could see something like titanium/scandium versions of the Hybrid ST´s taking a leap though, much more weight to move around(and probably higher COR?).

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